I guess it‘s virtually impossible to not find Nazis on any platform. What seriously bugs me is that the Substack founders apparently actively promoted these guys. There‘s a difference between having a pest problem and maybe lacking the ressources to control it and actively inviting the pest in while stating the exact opposite in your Terms of Use. I like the build-in community here, but considering that I never intended to make money from a newsletter - there are other options, with more functionality as well.
That’s precisely what I’m saying. I don’t want to silence people, not even people with views I don’t align with, but if there are rules I expect them to be followed, not circumvented.
Maybe a solution could be a larger European user base, or even the attention from the EU? The EU seems to be the only thing that can still stop the tech overlords and make good changes to our platforms. This week we even got laws to protect us from AI. Who would have thought?
That would be nice, still Substack is a private entity in the US, even if the EU said something about deplatforming Nazis, I doubt they would care. They comply to US laws, and that's enough for them.
Google is paying billions in legal fines to the EU because of anti-trust laws and Facebook has made many changes to their products because of the EU. Everyone has to follow GDPR. It doesn’t matter if it’s based on the US, if has European consumer, it has to also follow EU law. The EU is a large and rich market, that’s why they prefer complying and changing their products then being out completely. It has happened many times. The thing is that Substack is not that big, so far from being a priority. No one here really cares
I too was born in Rome. My Viennese mother (b. 1921) made too close an acquaintance with the original Nazis. Several of her aunts did not survive the experience. Waiting it out and wishing them away had tragic consequences.
I just started here with a plan to share photography and some writing in a dialogue positive space. All of a sudden it looks like Twitter/X unmoderated.
Neither the Italian nor the German fascists rose to power without the complicity of capital and of the willingly myopic. Their new incarnations in “the West” rely on the same relations.
I so appreciate the clarity of your thought about the ethical stakes of participation here. Mine may well be an aborted adventure here.
let the worst vermin post, but not allow paid subscriptions.
Terminate weeklies immediately, yearly and auto (forever) at end of 12 months.
Minimum of overhead and monitoring.
Those entities are getting lots of dark and not so dark money elsewhere anyway, and it is beyond our control except to block comments from them. Allow them their echo chamber.
I guess it‘s virtually impossible to not find Nazis on any platform. What seriously bugs me is that the Substack founders apparently actively promoted these guys. There‘s a difference between having a pest problem and maybe lacking the ressources to control it and actively inviting the pest in while stating the exact opposite in your Terms of Use. I like the build-in community here, but considering that I never intended to make money from a newsletter - there are other options, with more functionality as well.
That’s precisely what I’m saying. I don’t want to silence people, not even people with views I don’t align with, but if there are rules I expect them to be followed, not circumvented.
I'm toying with the idea to report the app on Apple's app store, just to see what happens, because their ToS also don't allow hate speech etc. 😈
Maybe a solution could be a larger European user base, or even the attention from the EU? The EU seems to be the only thing that can still stop the tech overlords and make good changes to our platforms. This week we even got laws to protect us from AI. Who would have thought?
That would be nice, still Substack is a private entity in the US, even if the EU said something about deplatforming Nazis, I doubt they would care. They comply to US laws, and that's enough for them.
Google is paying billions in legal fines to the EU because of anti-trust laws and Facebook has made many changes to their products because of the EU. Everyone has to follow GDPR. It doesn’t matter if it’s based on the US, if has European consumer, it has to also follow EU law. The EU is a large and rich market, that’s why they prefer complying and changing their products then being out completely. It has happened many times. The thing is that Substack is not that big, so far from being a priority. No one here really cares
Grazie, Giorgia! Come t’invidio il Lulli.
I too was born in Rome. My Viennese mother (b. 1921) made too close an acquaintance with the original Nazis. Several of her aunts did not survive the experience. Waiting it out and wishing them away had tragic consequences.
I just started here with a plan to share photography and some writing in a dialogue positive space. All of a sudden it looks like Twitter/X unmoderated.
Neither the Italian nor the German fascists rose to power without the complicity of capital and of the willingly myopic. Their new incarnations in “the West” rely on the same relations.
I so appreciate the clarity of your thought about the ethical stakes of participation here. Mine may well be an aborted adventure here.
Saluti a Firenze. Ciao.
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let the worst vermin post, but not allow paid subscriptions.
Terminate weeklies immediately, yearly and auto (forever) at end of 12 months.
Minimum of overhead and monitoring.
Those entities are getting lots of dark and not so dark money elsewhere anyway, and it is beyond our control except to block comments from them. Allow them their echo chamber.
Brava Giorgia! 👏👏